He certainly didn't get those round lips from eating square meals. tRump likes to wash Mikey's mouth out on a daily basis, but he doesn't use a bar of soap. He uses something much, much smaller.
If they escape a punishment like Mussolini received, Trump and his minions will ALL get their turn in the glass box in the courtroom, and their fate will not be pretty, even if not as gory.
I remember the glass box from the Eichmann trial. The oft quoted Jeffersonian comment on watering the tree needs a corollary reminding the loggers that tree huggers have long memories and access to glass boxes.
Oh, how I wish there were going to be various trials. I fear you are wrong. Please, oh, please, will some of these folks be held criminally responsible for their actions, decisions, illegal work?
Andy: Alas, there will be no Nuremberg style trials in the aftermath of this shitshow (if there is an aftermath, but see below), the Supreme Court's immunity jurisprudence for suits against governmental officials (federal and state) effectively ensuring that even the worst offenders will not be convicted, much less executed for their crimes . (The Trump Administration tests the commitment of even the most determined opponents of capital punishment). Indeed, it hugely more likely that, if there are such trials, which will not be in the aftermath of this shitshow, but part of it, they will be of The Wicked Man's perceived enemies. You should be proud, though feeling uneasy, that you are surely one of them. I greatly admire your work and am a faithful reader, but your view that there will be Nuremberg-style trials of the principals of The Wicked Man's administration (including the principals of the state divisions of the administration) is wishful thinking to the extreme.
If six of the "Justices" are among the defendants, there could be a welcome change in the law of presidential and governmental immunity -- and the change would be applied retroactively because it is obvious that the current law of immunity is an element of the fascist destruction of democracy.
True, but if the justices are replaced (see Si Hopkins), the new squad can change the existing jurisprudence just as the current ones seem happy to do.
I really wish this fascist movement/second Gilded Age could be responded to with something short of a violent uprising, which of course would mean civil war or simply the end of the Republic!
Indeed! These traitors are immune to anything that doesn't affect their money. Before we start the second civil war, let's try some boycotts of their goods and services. That's speaking their language. And we need to do it NOW.
As Mr. Hopkins correctly opines, your understanding is, alas, incorrect. Trump v. the United States (the Roberts' court's presidential immunity decision) did confer on the president extremely broad immunity against criminal prosecution, indeed absolute immunity in a stunningly broad category of cases. But that was preceded by dozens of Supreme Court decisions over the last 50 years endorsing so-called qualified immunity against both federal and state officials in not only criminal but civil cases. This is not the forum for getting into the weeds about the doctrine of qualified immunity (or absolute immunity for that matter). Suffice it to say here that such officials can, under the doctrine, be held liable (criminally or civilly) for wrongdoing only in extreme cases.
Not necessarily true. Some of Metamucilini's actions break international law. Our own Congress and SCOTUS may be on their knees praying to the orange nightmare, but the rest of the world isn't.
AND since the current supreme court made this rule, the next supreme court could change it. It seems as though all the laws that we thought would protect us from someone like trump were written with invisible ink. The best argument ever to really learning history - NOT the stuff that they jammed down our throats in school. (i.e. I don't believe Washington ever chopped down a cherry tree)
The Nuremberg trials were held in international courts. These animals have certainly broken international laws…murdering innocent fishermen in the Caribbean to start with, supporting genocide in Gaza, reneging on contracts which caused the death of many (USAID). If the US doesn't or can’t hold them responsible the international community should.
There will be no "trials" to convict the Trump Cult crime family...SCOTUS already took that off the table with their criminally stupid Immunity decision.
The administration of The Wicked Man severely tests my opposition to capital punishment generally, but that opposition is tempered by my support of capital punishment for crimes against humanity, as at Nuremberg. The destruction of the White House obviously does not fall into the category of crimes against humanity (as opposed let's say to decency) but other crimes of The Wicked Man almost surely do. Such as, for example, the evisceration of PEPFAR and US-AID, which has already cost hundreds of thousands of lives, the majority of them black and brown children in Africa, and promises to cost well over a million more during the remaining three plus years of The Wicked Man's term.
We are actually on the same page. I generally do not like capital punishment, even for the likes of a Jeffrey Dahmer. I would also like to add to your list, the hundreds of thousands of people in the US who died from COVID-19 after trumps started recommending to not get the vaccine, use bleach or ivermectin to treat it. That said, I think the evisceration of PEPFAR and USAID are much worse, because those people don't have a choice like we do.
The same page for sure. There are many qualifiers for the category of Trumpian crimes against humanity, it being understood that, as the crimes with which the Nuremberg defendants were charged were, in relevant part, driven by antisemitism, Trump's crimes against humanity are driven by antisemitism's close cousins, racism and nativism.
Well said! I had never consciously thought about racism and nativism being close cousins of antisemitism, but you are right that they are. Thank you for waking my brain up.
Should he be (A) hanged, drawn, and quartered; (B) just hanged (he has no guts so he can't be disemboweled and it would be difficult to find four horses willing to get close enough to do the quartering); (C) firing squad (the members would insist that they all be issued live rounds -- a waste of good ammunition but we could pay for it out of Trump's $230,000,000); or (D) banished to the streets of New York, Chicago or Portland to perish in the open warfare in their streets?
The guillotine is much too benign. Despite its notoriety, the guillotine was an improvement designed to prevent the inhumanity of a beheading gone wrong. An incompetent headsman could bungle a beheading and not sever the prisoner's head with the first stroke (and sometimes not the second or even the third). The result was a scene that even the strongest proponent of capital punishment found it hard to stomach. The guillotine was designed to assure that the head was severed by the first blow. One might consider beheading to be barbaric; but the guillotine made it less barbaric. Hanging, drawing, and quartering was the punishment for high treason in medieval England and makes beheading look like a stroll in the park.
Andy, I am hoping but I doubt I will be alive when that happens. Don't know if you read the Most Ludicrous Thing That Happened Today but Meidas+ reported that ICE invaded Canal Street in order to protect the country from fake handbags, abetted to some extent by "Mayor" Adams, who did not prevent it but did not allow the NYPD to participate, and the goons were run off by New Yorkers with cell phones yelling at them "Does your mother know you're doing this? She must be so proud." in best New Yorker fashion. And they then emerged from their headquarters, carrying MACHINE GUNS. Because nothing says "Antifa" like Canal Street peddlers hawking fake Gucci handbags.
Hard to decide. What is more brilliant? This post or its thread. Thank you. In my darkest days, I can still laugh. May we all live through this and come out smiling.
I want my Soros payoff to go for the C-141 that will pick up the asbestos rubble of the East Wing, take off from Joint Base Andres and dump it all over Mar-a-Lardo.
I was wondering how much of that rubble is asbestos. Also how many of the workers are not documented? Is OSHA keeping an eye on this? Oh, OSHA is government workers, so they are not working through the shutdown.
So yup, get that C-141 and dump the rubble on Mar-a-Lardo.
Since the East wing was constructed in 1902 and renovated in 1942, there is almost certain to be friable asbestos in the rubble unless it has since been removed.
And, of course, the Epstein files were being stored in the East Wing. Pam forgot to move them before the demo guys got there.
MAGA Mike -- the self-proclaimed uber Christian -- believes Jesus would approve of taking from the poor and giving to the rich. He's in for a real surprise when he realizes he will be an honored guest at Hitler's Stammtisch (regulars' table).
Andy always tells the truth. In related news, Vance narrowly escaped more shrapnel and remnants of a low orbit satellite that fell on his house late last night, destroying it completely. The marine missile targeting Soros' space lasers accidentally hit a Musk satellite instead. Said Vance, "I'm honored Trump thinks as highly of me as he does Pence." In the meantime Vance continues to search for his wife who was last seen running from the wreckage and picked up by ICE.
When Nuremberg-style trials are held in the aftermath on this shitshow Mike will not fare well
Hopefully he will farewell from freedom into a nice maximum security prison!
Bobblehead: "I vhas just [bobble-bobble] following orders!"
All his minions should be available as Bobbleheads, then Trump could line them up and say nice things about himself!
Gitmo, where Pedo Mike can get daily sinus rinses and genital stimulation, would be a good location for him....
If they can find them that is… 🤡
"Bring out...The Electron Microscope!" 😏
🤣🤣🤣🤣
You are leaving out the head RE-PEDO-CAN from his cell at Gitmo, Trump.
Love, love, LOVE "RE-PEDO-CAN"!! It's perfect.
No kidding? Is he a weenie washer, too?
He certainly didn't get those round lips from eating square meals. tRump likes to wash Mikey's mouth out on a daily basis, but he doesn't use a bar of soap. He uses something much, much smaller.
Ahhhh ... white washing his tonsils Mental pixtures you can't unsee
it could explain a lot
And let's hope Moses Mike's cellmate is named Big Beautiful Bill. (Saw this elsewhere on substack)
He sure do have a pretty mouth-Deliverance
CECOT will have openings. And I hear El Salvador is wonderful all times of year!
The tropical humidity does wonders for the skin!
I can only wish!
If they escape a punishment like Mussolini received, Trump and his minions will ALL get their turn in the glass box in the courtroom, and their fate will not be pretty, even if not as gory.
That's a big "if"
A big, big "if"!
I remember the glass box from the Eichmann trial. The oft quoted Jeffersonian comment on watering the tree needs a corollary reminding the loggers that tree huggers have long memories and access to glass boxes.
Oh, how I wish there were going to be various trials. I fear you are wrong. Please, oh, please, will some of these folks be held criminally responsible for their actions, decisions, illegal work?
Andy: Alas, there will be no Nuremberg style trials in the aftermath of this shitshow (if there is an aftermath, but see below), the Supreme Court's immunity jurisprudence for suits against governmental officials (federal and state) effectively ensuring that even the worst offenders will not be convicted, much less executed for their crimes . (The Trump Administration tests the commitment of even the most determined opponents of capital punishment). Indeed, it hugely more likely that, if there are such trials, which will not be in the aftermath of this shitshow, but part of it, they will be of The Wicked Man's perceived enemies. You should be proud, though feeling uneasy, that you are surely one of them. I greatly admire your work and am a faithful reader, but your view that there will be Nuremberg-style trials of the principals of The Wicked Man's administration (including the principals of the state divisions of the administration) is wishful thinking to the extreme.
If six of the "Justices" are among the defendants, there could be a welcome change in the law of presidential and governmental immunity -- and the change would be applied retroactively because it is obvious that the current law of immunity is an element of the fascist destruction of democracy.
True, but if the justices are replaced (see Si Hopkins), the new squad can change the existing jurisprudence just as the current ones seem happy to do.
I really wish this fascist movement/second Gilded Age could be responded to with something short of a violent uprising, which of course would mean civil war or simply the end of the Republic!
Hit his supporters in their pocketbooks with strategic boycotts, for one thing.
- preferably before more of their billionaires buy up more media biz & are handed more positions in Trump admin!
Indeed! These traitors are immune to anything that doesn't affect their money. Before we start the second civil war, let's try some boycotts of their goods and services. That's speaking their language. And we need to do it NOW.
For whatever it's worth-- not so much, I fear....I live on a budget--I will no longer make ANY purchases at Target.
I agree. The only way to make them sit up and pay attention is to hit them in the wallet.
Like a Teddy Roosevelt?
I'm just not that up on my history to know if that is a good parallel or not
So far(thankfully) only the President has immunity.
As Mr. Hopkins correctly opines, your understanding is, alas, incorrect. Trump v. the United States (the Roberts' court's presidential immunity decision) did confer on the president extremely broad immunity against criminal prosecution, indeed absolute immunity in a stunningly broad category of cases. But that was preceded by dozens of Supreme Court decisions over the last 50 years endorsing so-called qualified immunity against both federal and state officials in not only criminal but civil cases. This is not the forum for getting into the weeds about the doctrine of qualified immunity (or absolute immunity for that matter). Suffice it to say here that such officials can, under the doctrine, be held liable (criminally or civilly) for wrongdoing only in extreme cases.
I personally believe that we are already in that extreme territory. Not that I expect any of them to be held accountable.
Yeah.
Thank you! Your comment gives me hope, and is clearly based on accurate historical precedence. Is this not eligible for an extreme case?
Actually other government officials have immunity or the equivalent that makes it virtually to hold them responsible for anything.
Not necessarily true. Some of Metamucilini's actions break international law. Our own Congress and SCOTUS may be on their knees praying to the orange nightmare, but the rest of the world isn't.
AND since the current supreme court made this rule, the next supreme court could change it. It seems as though all the laws that we thought would protect us from someone like trump were written with invisible ink. The best argument ever to really learning history - NOT the stuff that they jammed down our throats in school. (i.e. I don't believe Washington ever chopped down a cherry tree)
The Nuremberg trials were held in international courts. These animals have certainly broken international laws…murdering innocent fishermen in the Caribbean to start with, supporting genocide in Gaza, reneging on contracts which caused the death of many (USAID). If the US doesn't or can’t hold them responsible the international community should.
There will be no "trials" to convict the Trump Cult crime family...SCOTUS already took that off the table with their criminally stupid Immunity decision.
This is why firing squads are needed. SC and Utah have them.
Great Dreadful Scott!
Bring on Marie-Antoinette!!! That's what I would like to see: literally heads rolling.
The administration of The Wicked Man severely tests my opposition to capital punishment generally, but that opposition is tempered by my support of capital punishment for crimes against humanity, as at Nuremberg. The destruction of the White House obviously does not fall into the category of crimes against humanity (as opposed let's say to decency) but other crimes of The Wicked Man almost surely do. Such as, for example, the evisceration of PEPFAR and US-AID, which has already cost hundreds of thousands of lives, the majority of them black and brown children in Africa, and promises to cost well over a million more during the remaining three plus years of The Wicked Man's term.
We are actually on the same page. I generally do not like capital punishment, even for the likes of a Jeffrey Dahmer. I would also like to add to your list, the hundreds of thousands of people in the US who died from COVID-19 after trumps started recommending to not get the vaccine, use bleach or ivermectin to treat it. That said, I think the evisceration of PEPFAR and USAID are much worse, because those people don't have a choice like we do.
The same page for sure. There are many qualifiers for the category of Trumpian crimes against humanity, it being understood that, as the crimes with which the Nuremberg defendants were charged were, in relevant part, driven by antisemitism, Trump's crimes against humanity are driven by antisemitism's close cousins, racism and nativism.
Well said! I had never consciously thought about racism and nativism being close cousins of antisemitism, but you are right that they are. Thank you for waking my brain up.
from your font to God's ears!
Should he be (A) hanged, drawn, and quartered; (B) just hanged (he has no guts so he can't be disemboweled and it would be difficult to find four horses willing to get close enough to do the quartering); (C) firing squad (the members would insist that they all be issued live rounds -- a waste of good ammunition but we could pay for it out of Trump's $230,000,000); or (D) banished to the streets of New York, Chicago or Portland to perish in the open warfare in their streets?
my vote is C, but instead of ammunition, use paint balls so that his demise is long, slow, painful, yet colorful
That would be an awful waste of good paint!
perhaps, but no ammunition of any kind is wasted on the psychophants
I want to see the guillotine brought back.
The guillotine is much too benign. Despite its notoriety, the guillotine was an improvement designed to prevent the inhumanity of a beheading gone wrong. An incompetent headsman could bungle a beheading and not sever the prisoner's head with the first stroke (and sometimes not the second or even the third). The result was a scene that even the strongest proponent of capital punishment found it hard to stomach. The guillotine was designed to assure that the head was severed by the first blow. One might consider beheading to be barbaric; but the guillotine made it less barbaric. Hanging, drawing, and quartering was the punishment for high treason in medieval England and makes beheading look like a stroll in the park.
I agree with you 100%!
I do hope they're televised, on CNN and Faux, with the best parts rerun 24/7.
Faux will interrupt the telecast for an important replay of Trump's military parade.
and he shouldn't! Can't we "farewell" him now?!!
Oh, he’ll talk. He’ll be spewing secrets to anyone who will listen. Jesus won’t be there to hold his hand.
I want Judy Garland to play Mike Johnson.
Andy, I am hoping but I doubt I will be alive when that happens. Don't know if you read the Most Ludicrous Thing That Happened Today but Meidas+ reported that ICE invaded Canal Street in order to protect the country from fake handbags, abetted to some extent by "Mayor" Adams, who did not prevent it but did not allow the NYPD to participate, and the goons were run off by New Yorkers with cell phones yelling at them "Does your mother know you're doing this? She must be so proud." in best New Yorker fashion. And they then emerged from their headquarters, carrying MACHINE GUNS. Because nothing says "Antifa" like Canal Street peddlers hawking fake Gucci handbags.
My father served at the original Nuremberg trials. I would love to do the same. ASAP!
would that you are right, but the SCOTUS will remain the same and won't allow it... :^(
None of the GQP/MAGAT cult will, especially the gutless eunuchs in the House and Senate. History is not going to be kind to them.
But he will have an abundance of friends keeping him company in those cramped little cells.
No problem. Donnie will just put him up in the east wing of the White House.
The East Wing will have a Pence Room featuring a trap door and a "life like" version of Hangman, Adult Issue.
What happened to the gallows which was intended for Pence? Is it still available?
<snort laugh>
--or in a tent on the new patio over the Rose Garden. A yellow umbrella will prop up the living quarters!
And here I thought Johnson lived under a rock.
Maybe there will be space for Mikey in the new ballroom.
Hat rack
He would be more productive in that role.
Given Mikey’s size, there’s room for him most everywhere.
What would be wonderful is to see Mikey as a busboy -- the one who cleans up plates after each serving and has to refill the water glasses. Imagine!
He behaves like something has hit him in the head! Maybe the rock fell on him.
He did and he will crawl back in due time. They all will.
Only his brain does!
--and his morals and decency!
A space rock, no doubt.
Hard to decide. What is more brilliant? This post or its thread. Thank you. In my darkest days, I can still laugh. May we all live through this and come out smiling.
Profiles in Weenydom.
SuperWeenydom!
Andy keeps proving that satire is still possible -- albeit much more difficult in this administration.
WAIT! CNN is reporting that Trump has just demolished Johnson's house to construct latrines for the construction workers working on the new Ballroom.
Where will Trump find construction workers?
The nearest ICE detention center.
I want my Soros payoff to go for the C-141 that will pick up the asbestos rubble of the East Wing, take off from Joint Base Andres and dump it all over Mar-a-Lardo.
I was wondering how much of that rubble is asbestos. Also how many of the workers are not documented? Is OSHA keeping an eye on this? Oh, OSHA is government workers, so they are not working through the shutdown.
So yup, get that C-141 and dump the rubble on Mar-a-Lardo.
Since the East wing was constructed in 1902 and renovated in 1942, there is almost certain to be friable asbestos in the rubble unless it has since been removed.
And, of course, the Epstein files were being stored in the East Wing. Pam forgot to move them before the demo guys got there.
Soros would never spend money to improve Mar-a-Lardo.
Isn’t the rock being sold as souvenirs?
Though covered in rubble, Johnson said he was waiting for the details.
and quoted Charlie Kirk, "sometimes it's best to destroy in order to rebuild."
MAGA Mike -- the self-proclaimed uber Christian -- believes Jesus would approve of taking from the poor and giving to the rich. He's in for a real surprise when he realizes he will be an honored guest at Hitler's Stammtisch (regulars' table).
-where the main dish will be flaming bratwurst!
"... and invited Trump to total his car."
😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
Borowitz strikes again. Outstanding.
And just recall the model of that car purchased from the WH auto lot.
😂🤣😂🤣 hard to believe this is satire and not actually true
Andy always tells the truth. In related news, Vance narrowly escaped more shrapnel and remnants of a low orbit satellite that fell on his house late last night, destroying it completely. The marine missile targeting Soros' space lasers accidentally hit a Musk satellite instead. Said Vance, "I'm honored Trump thinks as highly of me as he does Pence." In the meantime Vance continues to search for his wife who was last seen running from the wreckage and picked up by ICE.
You nailed it once again, Andy! The truth of the matter regarding the spineless toady Johnson!
Laughed until the tears rolled. You are almost single-handedly getting a lot of us through this sh*tshow, Andy! Much gratitude!🙏🏼
Amen!! Even at my lowest points, I find solace and humor with my fellow TBRers.
True LOL
“He felt like it”
Epstien, Epstien, Epstien, Epstien etc. Anything he feels like doing, he will do. Just to distract us.
He’s pissing off many people with the white house, and the red hate farmers are not too keen on him now.
IF Mikie wins in s few weeks, we are moving in the correct direction.
Humor: who does mikie’s opponent look like?
Johnson had planned on swearing in Rep.-elect Adelita Grijalva in his living room but now says he obviously cannot do that.
Maybe that's why Agent Orange demo'd the house....in addition to "feeling like it". Just remember that anything the Orange touches dies.
Yet again Andy with the headline I had to go to the Internet to verify.
Right on the mark.
This is hilarious! First time I laughed a loud in a while.... thanks, Andy!